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Things go from Bad to Worse for Reviews of AMD Radeon Fury X



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AMD has been making some incredibly concerning decisions these last few weeks regarding its new product launches. First, we brought you news yesterday that review sample allocation of its upcoming R9 Fury graphics cards is non-existent, or at least that AMD has no plans to send out these cards, on the other hand the R9 Fury X will only have 10 samples for the whole of the EU region. That number may not sound too bad but when you consider the scope of this industry spans print magazines, YouTube reviewers and a wide range of enthusiast technology sites, it soon becomes apparent that 10 is barely enough to scratch the surface. Such a move is certainly not what you would expect of a flagship product – you would normally expect a large set of reviews and independent testing to entice consumers into a purchase.

eTeknix already knows it won’t be allocated a sample in the first wave and in light of recent news, it appears eTeknix likely won’t get one at all. Fellow UK publication KitGuru (Link) has spoken out this morning that AMD has withdrawn its Fury X sample over ‘negative content’ and put simply, that’s outrageous. As journalists it is integral that are able to write freely and independently, to say what we see, as we see it and share that information and informed opinion with readers. A balanced and independent approach includes both the good news and bad news and when it comes to AMD, as with any brand, eTeknix has had a fair number of positive things to say, as well as negative, but crucially there’s some balance to be found in it all.

AMD’s decision to withdraw samples for a number of websites because of negative content is, in my mind, a bullying tactic – “say nice things if you want to work with us.” Should eTeknix stop publishing independent analysis and opinion that could be beneficial to readers if that means a brand will no longer support us? eTeknix hasn’t lied to get to where it is now and it’s certainly not about to start.

eTeknix reached out to AMD for further details on sample availability, what constitutes ‘negative content’ and why they’re cutting back on events. Unfortunately, eTeknix received a very similar canned response from multiple contacts at AMD. If we didn’t know any better we’d say AMD were on damage control but, looking at recent reviews, we can’t understand why.

Below you can find the response from Senior Manager of EMEA Communications Christine Brown:

“I’m sorry to say that AMD is generally reducing the press events we host, invitee numbers for any events, sampling numbers, etc. Our decisions are based on a number of factors that I’m unable to go into. However I can only assure you that we will involve you in events and sampling when we feel it is appropriate and we are able. With regards to specific sampling of Fiji, I’m afraid our current allocation means we will not be able to sample you prior to launch. I realize this may not be the response you were hoping for but I can only reiterate that we will keep sharing information and more when we can.”

For further clarification eTeknix reached out to an additional AMD representative, Corporate VP and General Manager of EMEA for AMD Darren Grasby, and his reply was as follows:

“Thanks for getting in touch. I appreciate all the support you’ve given us both in the past and moving forward. As I think the team have explained, there are a number of factors behind the planning for our launches and unfortunately that sometimes means we’re unable to accommodate every request, as much as we’d like to. I’m sorry to say that AMD is generally reducing the press events we host, invitee numbers for any events, sampling numbers, etc. Our decisions are based on a number of factors that I’m unable to go into. However I can only assure you that we will involve you in events and sampling when we feel it is appropriate and we are able.”

These responses look uncannily similar so maybe AMD doesn’t have the time or capability to provide more honest responses to its trusted press partners or representatives have been instructed to deliver a general response. The R9 Fury and R9 Fury X appear to be impressive graphics cards so you can bet eTeknix is going to push hard to bring readers an in-depth review of this upcoming hardware, even if it involves getting samples from AMD AIB partners as eTeknix has had to do in the past.


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  • Haysleyez

    something is afoot here. Luckily I don’t need an upgrade just yet and hopefully this shit will be sorted by the time the fury x2 comes out!

  • Soddam Inssein

    This could be a tactic by AMD. Keep the true performance of the card as secretive as possible then when it launches people’s jaws drop at how good it really is. Either that or it’s suddenly not as good as the 980ti thus rendering the claim of worlds fastest completely redundant.

  • ash

    maybe there having driver problems, there trying to sort before launch and don’t want it to effect reviews

  • 12John34

    We already know we won’t be getting a sample in the first wave

    I was wondering why you where so negative these days with full of articles attacking AMD. Now we know. Thank you for informing us.

  • Vee Louge

    bully tactic? well it’s their own product and they can do what ever they want with it. whining about not getting samples of a product is just plain greedy and stupid. if you “JOURNALISTS” really want to review products, then purchase it. i mean come on….

    • Biggs

      Exactly. Nvidia has done it in the past and Nvidia has also rebadged stuff in the past as well. Does that make it right? That could be argued but still AMD does more than just GPUs and they try to cover their asses wherever they can and they need to since t hey aren’t in the best spot right now

  • Behrouz Sedigh

    So you want to say Fury x has some issue and you expect AMD allows you to spread it ?

  • Francisco Andrés

    So you talk shit about a company, even though what you say might be correct and factual you still word it like an ass, and you expect them to award you with privileges just like the rest?

    HAHAHA.

    Seriously?

    Cheers!

    • I was Blocked from Kitguru

      Guess what? kitguru blocked me for posting a video of their own, on disquss. Watch the video. And people ask why AMd is Doing this.

      • Behrouz Sedigh

        Wait , kitguru talked to this Man from AMD ? kitguru’s Quesiton Is Ridiculous.

      • Behrouz Sedigh

        Wait , kitguru talked to this Man from AMD ? kitguru’s Quesiton Is Ridiculous.

      • Francisco Andrés

        Ah… This video. To be honest, I laughed the first time I saw it, but I didn’t make the actual connection or just flat out ignored it was from KitGuru.

        If they did put out this video, so be it. They can’t complain.

        Cheers!

      • Francisco Andrés

        Ah… This video. To be honest, I laughed the first time I saw it, but I didn’t make the actual connection or just flat out ignored it was from KitGuru.

        If they did put out this video, so be it. They can’t complain.

        Cheers!

      • 12John34

        And people re posted it half a dozen of times again in the comments!!!! LOL

        • I was Blocked from Kitguru

          I mean neither both GPu companies are perfect, but this websites exists to give us unbiased opinions, transparency.. And they do not deliver.

          • 12John34

            They just blocked my at KitGure because I pointed out that the Jeff account was new, of course private, was upvoting itself, and was in full damage control in the posts.
            They are going from one failure to the next. They also blocked the comments on the video, a video that had seen it’s down votes going from 80- to 480 in less than a day.
            That’s how you destroy a sites credibility.

      • CERO

        Regarding Rebadging. both companies do it. Why bash only AMD for it?
        ATI and Nvidia have a long story of doing this.

  • Alan Davidson

    If the guys I trust that review these cards cant give me an hgonest opinion or aany opinion at all, I will pass on AMD.

  • rav55

    What is outrageous is your Yellow Journalism.
    What is outrageous is your bias.
    What is outrageous is your whining you simpering sop. Grow up. Grow a pair. And learn how to write.
    Somebody call the Whaaaaammmbulance.
    The biggest question is this; have you learned anything?

  • rav55

    Of course you could always plagiarize somebody else’s benchmarks and pass it off as your own.
    Hmmm….. dollars to donuts that is what you will do.

  • rav55

    “Things go from Bad to Worse for Reviews of AMD Radeon Fury X”

    Bullshyte.

    The title of this piece is

    “Things go from Bad to Worse for Eteknix.com.”
    Besides you are less that a third rate site.

    • 12John34

      They do write some nice summaries from other articles or news letters. Usually when I am too bored to read a long article or a lengthy news letter, I am just waiting for eteknix’s article.

      But in this case they shoot their own feet. The last articles, full of irony against AMD, and the fact that the only reason for becoming biased, was that they didn’t got a free Fury X sample, throws their credibility out of the window. You never come out publicly shouting foul, because you make it clear that now you have a reason to be biased.

      • Fusho

        Agreed. I feel like they are aiming to pressure AMD into giving them a sample with this article, but instead, it’s just making them look bad.

  • pidgin

    LOL. So basically all those worthless sites (too many to count) which make money because of other peoples work (hardware makers) feel entitled to get a free product to make money? Wow. If you want to keep making money with your stupid review sites you go the product yourself. You need to spend money to make money.

    Up to 5 samples should be sent out maximum by AMD. This is more than enough. How many freaking reviews do you need for one product.

    • techteamgb

      First off, the work us ‘worthless sites’ do isn’t just because we ‘feel entitled to free’ products – we provide marketing for the hardware makers’ products. Without reviews, people would have to buy products in the hope that they were decent. Buying products for review doesn’t make sense most of the time, as it can be very expensive just to make one video or article – and your mantra of spend money to make money, while correct, isn’t in context. You need to spend money wisely to make money. If eTexnix were to buy all the products they reviewed, they wouldn’t exist – they would probably be broke.

      Also, the reason people want lots of reviews is choice. They want to watch 10 reviews of the same product before buying, just to make sure their £500+ isn’t going to waste. I also find it kind of ironic you are commenting on a ‘worthless’ review site, meaning you must be actively looking at their content… Huh, it seems like a bit of hypocrisy here.

      • pidgin

        So much wrong in this post don’t know where to begin.

        First of all, you can still review the card when you buy it yourself when it is available and then return it. Customers can return their cards aswell. I see absolutely no problem. How can a purchase go to waste? If it is defective you return it. You’re not satisfied with performance, you return it within 2 weeks (or a month in case of amazon?) for a refund.

        No money must be spent to review a card. I was stumblerd upon this worthless site from a local forum where 2 links were posted who were badmouthing AMD about their decision.

        If AMD doesn’t provide you with a card it means they don’t need your advertisement.

        • techteamgb

          Why you can return the product/card, if you are found to do this on a regular basis, you can be stopped from buying or returning goods. Also, depending on where you buy from, some don’t accept returns if the card has been used or opened.

          I personally think AMD not giving review samples to some of the biggest tech reviewers in the UK is a bad choice, but hey – you’re clearly too far gone to care anyway!

          Sure, but since they are a slowly dying company, I think they need all the advertisement they can get.

          • Fusho

            Just curious. I am pretty ignorant on this matter, but which sites that are the biggest tech reviewers are they not giving samples to?

        • This comment is absurd.

          Professional review sites provide a service to the community so that we DON’T have to buy cards blindly and have to worry about the hassle (or expense, where companies charge a restocking fee or require you to pay for return shipping if you are just ‘not happy with’ the card). Otherwise you’d have to buy like 3 cards to compare their performance to see which one is the best option. What you are suggesting is ridiculous.

          It’s a standard within the industry to provide tech samples for marketing and review purposes, so that people can make informed decisions about the products they buy. AMD only giving review samples to certain sites who are ‘positive about AMD’ is a worrying trend that means we may only see reviews which are biased in favor of AMD until the rest of the sites have the chance to get their hands on the cards and benchmark them.

          • pidgin

            There will ALWAYS be honest non-biased reviews. Your assumption that
            there won’t be is ridicilous. When not done by the
            “professional” sites which more often than not are completely biased then by the early adopters/customers who upload to youtube/store feedback etc. Forums are FULL of people posting performance and bench numbers. The “professional” sites are completely un-necessary.

            I love what AMD is doing and killing off the revenue stream for those sites.

          • Oto

            “Professional review sites provide a service to the community….”

            No, they earn $$$ doing reviews, and if they play their game right, they earn loads of $$$ for endorsed reviews. What AMD is doing is no different that what Nvidia does, the only difference is instead of sponsorships involved this time is review samples, so don’t act all self-righteous about it.

          • CERO

            Yes, they do give a service. But when they become mouthpieces of the opposition.. they stop being “unbiased”. They become sites with Agendas. Many review sites that got popular.. were caught and started to have scandals for bias. Including paying reviewers.
            Specially Gaming ones.

      • afrogunso77 .

        Credibility is probably the most important thing for a review site. Especially if you want to make a living doing it. Why on earth is it so difficult to find an blatantly unbiased review site? I dont blame AMD at all.

        • techteamgb

          I agree credibility is very important for reviews. While I see where you are coming from, I would say the majority of reviews on most sites are unbiased. I don’t necessarily blame AMD, I just think it is strange for a company on the edge of failure would choose to not should from the rooftops as loud as they could about what they are claiming, and I hope, to be an amazing new product.

          • Oto

            ” I would say the majority of reviews on most sites are unbiased.”

            ahahahahahahah…good one, good one….

        • CERO

          Actually, a lot of sites are heavily biased.
          You will for example, see anandtech having a lot of “test games” that favour Nvidia gpus the majority. ( Or even using games that used the “The way its meant to be played” approval, and that even sabotaged AMD cards)

    • CERO

      While I agree in your first statement.. the more reviews the better.
      So we know a “balance” or middle stance between reviewers.
      As you notice, Kitguru as real anti AMD agenda now. Anandtech used to always praise Nvidia as well for example, and inflate their scores.

      anyway:
      By finding balance, you can root out the “fanboy” or sites with agendas, and find the real unbiased reviews. (So you can eliminate easily sites like wired, who loves to give apple products always the “must buy” award regardless of what the product is).

  • Heyjoe

    How do you call yourselves journalists when you keep posting “leaks” and rumours about something that you have no capability to fact check?

    • aruffell

      The whole clue is in the word rumour?

      • CERO

        There is a huge difference in a rumour.. which can be started by a madman in the middle of Africa.
        and a “leak”. Where a real employee gives unreleased information to a friend “insider” to share.

        And the difference is fact checking.

  • Sean Johansson

    Just another reason to laugh@AMD….nice tactics…….

  • Lemming Overlord

    There’s a good solution for this. AMD has 10 units to allocate to Europe (or is it EMEA?), so go to the AIB partners…

    • aruffell

      They aren’t allowed to sample them 🙂 And the fact that they don’t have them 🙂

      • Lemming Overlord

        Well, they’re not allowed to “sample” them prior to launch, but I’m betting they can sneak units to the media partners and commit to not publishing before launch day… but this’ll still screw over a lot of media outlets, if Fury X samples are soooo constrained

        • aruffell

          Huge repercussions for the partners if they did this, so frankly it’s not worth it for them based on risk.

  • AyresRocket

    LOL @ “fellow UK publication Kitguru”.
    More butthurt from the NV fanclub sites.
    Payback’s a bitch ain’t it.

  • AyresRocket

    That’s 9 more than were sent to reviewers for the Titan Z launch…

    • aruffell

      Completely different type of card. Compare it to Titan X which is closer to the same grading of product.

      • Blockchains

        HAHAHAHAHAHA.

  • James Rodger

    maybe you cant get one because all you do is slate them. be like getting an Xbox fanboy to review a PlayStation (except its PC so its a little more important)

    • aruffell

      Did you not read the 4 300 series reviews from yesterday?

      • Peter Donnell

        Or the fact we use AMD cards in multiple test benches, chassis review hardware, featured articles… shit, even my own rig has AMD cards. Slate them indeed…

      • Fiji-Si

        Get over it

  • BOFUR OF THE BLUE MOUNTAINS

    oh we got disqus here! eteknix you sück äss.

  • L’Immortale Dolore Antoine

    I used to like reading eTeknix.. I remember you guys when you started humble and knew your place..
    Its sad to say that but as of lately you do sound/look greedy. You definitely need to work it out

    Its even worse you used Kitguru as an example
    Seriously.?

    • aruffell

      So you agree that not sending a sample because they are afraid of a negative review as a good thing? We pride ourselves on being unbiased. We were the only site in the world as far as I know who had 4 300 series card reviews ready for launch.

      • L’Immortale Dolore Antoine

        I agree that I would like it if they sent you one since you are one of the really few sites I enjoyed read.. Yet you can’t understand what AMD is trying to do is completely normal? I don’t think its that simple as a negative review though..

        Dishonesty is something that is moving a lot lately.. AMD is trying to fix that at least.. I hope in future this will change at least for you guys but you have to be patient.. Fury X will surely get the same threat as Titan so its normal they sent limited samples

        • aruffell

          Appreciate the kind words. I could understand it perfectly, if AMD were honest, of which they are not. We all know that they have issues with stock and it seems that only 30,000 cards are going to be available worldwide for the rest of 2015, which is bonkers. They simply should have waited.

          We asked about our sample, and were given a generic canned response. That is not how you treat a media partner who has provided tons of publicity over the years. We’ve had some of the best content to date on 4K AMD gaming and Kaveri, but apparantly we are bias when it comes to AMD content.

          We had to find out from other media outlets that AMD were planning an event for this card. Not being invited is one thing, but telling us about the event is another, and then explaining why. Transparency and communication are big things in this day and age and I pride eTeknix on it.

          Whether we would have done a negative review or not, I couldn’t honestly tell you. That would be up to the product to show to us. If the performance and features are on par or better than the competition at that price point, then I can’t see why it would be negative. Maybe AMD are afraid that it is a bad product and that will show in our testing? We simply can’t make up the figures that are presented when we benchmark.

          We will get a sample from an AMD partner I’m sure, as we have great relationships with a lot of them as shown with us having 4 x 300 series card reviews yesterday (more than any other media AFAIK) but still we are branded as biased.

          My 2 cents 🙂

          • L’Immortale Dolore Antoine

            I am sorry to hear that Aruffell. Its true that they have issues with stock and only limited number of cards are going available worldwide this year. I have a feeling they knew it and thats why they gave it special name as Fury and not just one of 300 series..

            I don’t see why you can be bias to AMD content since from what I’ve read these late years you have been pretty fair.. Allow me to say though that other reviewer sites that you compared yourselves to aren’t fully honest though.. And I am not talking about AMD content only* here but other big names as well.. I hope all this story will have a better ending though

          • iLanTP

            The 30,000 unit production has been debunked by industry insiders for a week now. If you need a reason AMD won’t send you a review sample it is perhaps because you spread rumors like that.

          • Naeem ur Rehman

            you guys can just wait instead of making a post like this wich is shared widely online because this misleading title of yours and you are being negitive about AMD right here on this post so let alone the review you guys will do in future

          • Peter Donnell

            And what title would you have gone for on an opinion piece like this, serious answers only btw.

          • Naeem ur Rehman

            We will be late on Fury X review as we are not getting a Review unit ( or don’t write anything at all )

          • Naeem ur Rehman

            you guys can just wait instead of making a post like this wich is shared widely online because this misleading title of yours and you are being negitive about AMD right here on this post so let alone the review you guys will do in future

          • RedBearded T

            They’re probably pissed about the misinformation a shitty speculation your’re telling people in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFWgc8qjQwk

          • Peter Donnell

            Really? As that’s not an eTeknix video lol.

          • RedBearded T

            It’s a part of their network.

      • Fiji-Si

        Just accept it for goodness sake. Even now you are trying to argue with them.
        AMD can do whatever they like. You are acting like a spoilt 5 year old.

  • #ToadLife BS

    So what no one gives a shit about your opinion. You are cancer.

    • aruffell

      I would advise you not to read it then 🙂 Something made you come here 😉

      • random1uploada .

        Exactly.

      • #ToadLife BS

        I was linked here by some retard. Sorry my previous post was really mean and hurtful and I love you, but please stop posting shit about AMD kthxbby

        • Peter Donnell

          Guess you didn’t read our reviews yesterday then…

    • flyboy

      ^^So says the AMD fangirl who got her skirt blown up and is all upset. Need a tissue honey?

    • Peter Donnell

      If you didn’t want my opinion, why did you come to the article and share yours? Our entire business focuses around our opinions and so far, they’re pretty well received. Sure today’s article got a few people’s backs up, but it’s going to have a different meaning to those within the industry as it does with first time readers.

      • Shaun Fosmark

        You screwed up. Pull the article down. Almost every comment here is negative towards you.

  • Gboss

    Im not convinced that because one site was turned down for negative content that all of them were for the same reason or that this was the basis of their decision. These guys are running a business, and part of that involves analyzing the metrics of promotional actions and determining how much they move the needle in terms of sales.

    • Jeff

      Kitguru? Pcperspective etc? They are big sites… Well regarded too.

  • Canuckian

    AMD needs to do the same thing as Nvidia. Have Huddy sit in front of a PC with a game running on the Fury X and fraps loaded, overclock it live on stream and risk crashing the system. Watch the FPS go up when the overclock is applied in real time.

  • grumpytrooper

    Amd can kiss my ass

    • John Strickland

      AMD sucks…Nvidia is killing them! lol

  • Naeem ur Rehman

    Well you have a misleading title on this post just because you are not getting an early review sample does not mean things gone bad ? i am sure many of you already received money from nvidia to write a bad review about AMD gpus and now you bitch flipping 😀

    • aruffell

      I don’t write reviews, my staff do and they have no indication as to who is paying for what, making us one of the most unbiased tech sites on the web. It seems sites in the US too are in the same boat with PCper and Legit reviews both on Reddit discussing this very issue a week ago.

      • Naeem ur Rehman

        just by reading the title and the picture inside this post like 10 people showen me this saying Fury X is bad gpu and got bad reviews come on man if you own a domain and a blog does not mean you can go on and post anything you want ? the issue is between You guys and AMD don’t show it as There GPUs are bad because they did not send you guys one ?

    • aruffell

      I don’t write reviews, my staff do and they have no indication as to who is paying for what, making us one of the most unbiased tech sites on the web. It seems sites in the US too are in the same boat with PCper and Legit reviews both on Reddit discussing this very issue a week ago.

    • Peter Donnell

      Guess you didn’t read the AMD reviews published on here yesterday? Guess you don’t read our chassis reviews and multiple featured articles which feature AMD cards many times per week? Guess you don’t really pay much attention at all?

      We work with both AMD and Nvidia graphics cards on a daily basis, so thanks for jumping to conclusions and insulting my integrity as a reviewer.

      • Shaun Fosmark

        You’ve insulted your own integrity as a reviewer by writing and publishing this cry baby article with a totally misleading title.

    • John Strickland

      WTF are you talking about….do you have proof Nvidia pays them to write bad reviews? No…I don’t think so. lol

  • Naeem ur Rehman

    Well you have a misleading title on this post just because you are not getting an early review sample does not mean things gone bad ? i am sure many of you already received money from nvidia to write a bad review about AMD gpus and now you bitch flipping 😀

  • koneko

    it’s amd product, they can do as they please and im neither in favor nor against the meassures that they have took, maybe they have a good reason they want good press because if they make a mistake hell brakes loose but if nvidia makes a mistake (like the 970 fiasco or the laptop drivers) the reviewers just swept it under the rug and amd want that fixed and if they have 10 samples the obvious thing to do is send where the good press is.. not bad not unbiased but good rather

  • koneko

    it’s amd product, they can do as they please and im neither in favor nor against the meassures that they have took, maybe they have a good reason they want good press because if they make a mistake hell brakes loose but if nvidia makes a mistake (like the 970 fiasco or the laptop drivers) the reviewers just swept it under the rug and amd want that fixed and if they have 10 samples the obvious thing to do is send where the good press is.. not bad not unbiased but good rather

  • kaisersoser

    It seems they just dont consider your opinion relevant to their plans.
    Which makes total sense to me as a neutral visiting your site for the first time and reading your article.

    Journalists are support to report facts, and not use their bullhorn as a tool for revenge. And this article stinks of bitterness and revenge.

    Needless to say, I doubt I will be returning in the future.

  • kaisersoser

    It seems they just dont consider your opinion relevant to their plans.
    Which makes total sense to me as a neutral visiting your site for the first time and reading your article.

    Journalists are support to report facts, and not use their bullhorn as a tool for revenge. And this article stinks of bitterness and revenge.

    Needless to say, I doubt I will be returning in the future.

    • J_P

      This is an article to educate readers on possible shady AMD business practices. Nothing more. Sounds like you extracted more from the article than the tone and writing really says. Don’t read between the lines; you don’t know their intent, you can only infer it.

      • kaisersoser

        Please, every corporation has shady practices. I don’t need this article to point that out. It is always about the bottom line first and foremost.
        My point is that even this website has a shady agenda of its own. Before they point arrows at AMD, they need to focus on their own journalistic integrity, which by my estimation from this article is in need of an overhaul.

  • Corsair Stinks!

    You guys are just being spoiled little b*****s because you can’t get an AMD card. Grow up. The Titan X only had one sample and no one cared.

    • aruffell

      We had Titan X? Do you mean Titan Z? We would happily buy a Fury X if stock existed, but from our sources, it seems that it won’t. Nothing spoilt about it.

      • Peter Donnell

        Also keep in mind, reviews are typically before or at launch, not after. If we line up to buy one, spend our money to get the card, only to be the last people to get the review out, what’s the point? We’re scratching AMDs back and getting very little in return.

        There’s nothing spoilt about it, this is our job. I work here, this is my job, I get a wage like anyone else. People think we pay our rent in “free” graphics cards and that’s simply not true. Although we could likely build a nice fort out of the “free” GPUs we have collected that we use endlessly in our test benches, reviews, featured articles and more.

        Basically, don’t be so quick to judge us, we’re good guys and we work hard to do what we do.

        • Shaun Fosmark

          How are you scratching AMD’S back? There will be so many reviews out you think everyone on the Internet will listen to any of them except only YOUR review? Not have a Fury – X review up on your site at or before everyone else won’t hurt AMD in the slightest. It WILL however hurt you because you won’t get a free card and you won’t have content up when everyone else does. NOBODY is losing here but you, which explains this stupid article.

          • J_P

            The idea is that AMD will only give them a card if they can guarantee a great review. Speculation, but that’s what he meant I think.

            Why are so many people so quick to accept the cherry-picked reviewers AMD has chosen as objective? They almost certainly will NOT be objective; I doubt we’ll see a single negative review out of the bunch.

          • CERO

            so .. AMD is now doing what Nvidia as done for ages?

      • Corsair Stinks!

        YES. The whole article shows how SPOILED you are. Don’t even begin to tell me how it isn’t. And yes, I meant the Z.

  • Eoin Mc Namara

    Ever since eTeknix got new writers, their titles have been extremely tabloid in fashion. Either go back to the Bohs Hansen “Summary of Facts in one line” style, or continue with Peter Donnell’s sensationalist style. (However, Peter Donnell is a very good reviewer with lots of experience in his writing. Ricky Right is a good graphics card reviewer, if a bit of an nVidia biased fan)
    Readers come to eTeknix for unbiased, hard-cold facts, and the great SOURCES of information they have. Sadly, rumours and unconfirmed sources have started creeping in, convoluting the good stories with the bad.
    So what if you don’t get a review sample? Let’s be real here: How much does the Fury series cost? eTeknix have praised it as the “Home Entertainment Card that lacks HDMI 2.0 which will really impact home entertainment systems.” Most users will not own a Fury, or a 390X, or a 980Ti, or a Titan X. The Titan X costs the consumer €1200, but it’s production cost is somewhere in the €700 range, if not less. The Fury might cost a lot more to produce, and therefore a consumer would actually make money for AMD, whereas eTeknix’s review would not.
    Most people are much more interested in the possibilties AMD is unveiling, not for the chance of owning one themselves. How will HBM affect the future 5-6 years down the line? Consider this going back to the first ever Discrete GPU.
    So eTeknix, please, for the viewers of your site, return to your roots, where the great works of Ashley Allen and Bohs Hansen made eTeknix above the competition.

    • aruffell

      Hi, all of the people that you mentioned including Rikki, Peter, Bohs and Ashley all still write for the site. Rikki hasn’t been with us long and came in as NVIDIA were launching new cards, hence why you may have seen a lot of NVIDIA based content from him. Check the 4 x 300 series card reviews from yesterday and you will see that Rikki isn’t an NVIDIA fan boy and does give credit to AMD where credit is due, even if that is quite tricky due to reviewing rebranded cards.

      The possibilities of AMD is what we are all about and that involves us getting the card, running it on our test bench that stays the same for all reviews, so not to favour any brand or model of card and show the cold hard facts of how it performs. Sadly that option isn’t available to us now, yet a site (who shall remain nameless) who is MUCH smaller than us in size are apparently getting a card for review, and everything they review seems to get a great score from what most readers have said.

      Madness!

      • FlX3R

        He did a single Compute benchmark and declared Nvidia as the winners (AMD`s strongest point & reason for extra power usage). I still cant get round the idea what you guys just did has never been done before so blatantly. Grats I suppose

        • CERO

          This is actually pretty interesting. Seems Nvidia as been doing APPLE style tactics.

          Because when AMD was beating Nvidia in compute big time. They diminished it and claimed the test “irrelevant”. Now the tables change and they are inflating it a lot.

      • Fusho

        The option is available. Just buy the card when it comes out. Seems like your only classy option atm. This thing you’re doing now just makes you look small. Suck it up and be better. Don’t cry foul just because they won’t give you a sample. It’s a privilege and not your right.

  • RedBearded T

    The reason you’re not getting a card, could, in no way, have ANYTHING to do with the misinformation and speculation in this video of yours. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFWgc8qjQwk
    It’s a wonder you’re still in business with all the false information and whining your content is full of.

    • DABhand

      Somebody doesn’t understand what Speculation is… you should look it up and then realize he wasn’t claiming anything.

      It is right at the start of the video when he says it.

    • aruffell

      You realise that isn’t us right?

      • RedBearded T

        Yeah, I posted it in the wrong article. I post it on theirs but forgot to remove this one. but still it remains that this is a click bait article. Also, it’s obvious you don’t deserve a review copy as you keep calling AMD liars.

  • muahahaha

    This is a very misleading title for an article, it sounds as if there are already reviews of the Fury X and that those reviews came to a conclusion that the Fury X is a bad/under-performing card, and after that, more bad things were found in the review samples etc.. you might wanna consider changing the title to, “AMD limiting Review Samples” or “Only a select few will review the Fury X” etc..

    • FlX3R

      Nonsense is nonsense

  • Shaun Fosmark

    HAHA! ETEKNIX is mad because AMD basically said they weren’t important enough to send a review sample to. So now they write this inflammatory article with a picture of Radeon crossed out because they think they can flex their muscle and tell AMD “we can get our readers to not buy your card because you won’t send us on free because we are important” Haha. This article has so much fail I’m not sure I can take anything on this site seriously again lmao.

    • John Strickland

      AMD has 10 lousy samples? This is their flagship card? AMD is so screwed…lol

      • koneko

        no matter if is 1 or 100 if it’s a good card it wont matter if it’s only one, in the other hand if the card it’s bad it won’t matter either if they are 100 samples

        if shit is good then it’s good
        if shit is bad then it’s bad

        no matter if they are 1 sample or 100

        • J_P

          You are flat out wrong. How can people make a decent responsible decision to purchase a card if they don’t even know how well the card performs? The more reviews the more opportunities for objectivity in the review, enabling consumers to make more educated decisions. Most people are mature responsible folks who will do lots of research before pouring a thousand bucks into a card that may actually be a fail. How would they know it is a fail card unless there are dozens of reviews saying otherwise?

          • koneko

            what i mean is that the guy above said that the card would suck because there are just 10 samples out there, and i know the more the better but having 10 samples doesn’t make the card bad out of the batch like he’s saying

          • sickbailey

            10 free samples doesn’t mean the card isn’t going to get reviewed. Believe it or not all tech review sites will be used to having to pay for something once in a while.

            Your point makes no sense at all.

          • J_P

            Read the article again. AMD isn’t giving samples pre-launch to anyone not on their list, whether they pay them or not. 😉

          • Bailey

            As soon as they release the cards, they can buy them to review like anyone else. Dude you shouldn’t comment on tech sites, the user base generally has a modicum of intelligence and you’re lacking.

            This is genuinely the most braindead comment I’ve read in a while.

          • J_P

            Insulting me isn’t doing anything for anybody except maybe inflating your own ego.

            I’m going to chalk down the ridiculousness of these negative comments to EU socialism. I’m a proud US citizen, and this kind of bullshit AMD is pulling in the EU wouldn’t be tolerated by ANYBODY in the US.

      • CERO

        You remember the first TITAN cards? or the older ULTRA cards? or AMD’s own dual card chips?
        They were “flagships”, yet their chips were so special that they had to be handpicked and cherrypicked. Hence why their availability was NEVER good.
        This is not a thing exclusive to AMD.

  • Todd

    According to Similarweb your site doesn’t even bring in 1M unique readers a month. In the grand scheme of things that means this site is irrelevant in many ways. Every reader you have also reads other sites. Most are larger, write with more accuracy, detail and have a better, and earned reputation. This site is irrelevant and the GPU coverage is just horrible in any case. A 10 year old can do a better job at reviewing them. That is the issue. Perhaps you should first get your house in order by stopping the click-bait news postings that are so prevalent here. Have some integrity for Chrissakes.

    • John Strickland

      Hey,Toad…yeah,I called you Toad! GO FUCK YOURSELF! 🙂

      • koneko

        OMG! HE CALLED HIM TOAD!! WATCH OUT! SOMEBODY CALL ARKHAM ASYLUM! WE GOT A PSYCHOPATH HERE!

    • FlX3R

      I dont understand why so many sites are getting butthurt (Even S/A/KG etc) because they didn’t make the list? AMD is under no obligation to do so, as do nvidia and Intel.

    • epiquestions

      Then why are you still here? Why do you feel it is your responsibility to tell them that? So many sites and yet you still bother to come here. Hypocrite

    • J_P

      Because most of these sites (including KitGuru and eTeknix) are actually major technology news sites, and the audience actually isn’t as large as you apparently think it is. Only a VERY few sites get even close to the number you quoted (1 million? Is a freaking lot lol), but every different review brings a new perspective to the table. I certainly don’t purchase a new GPU until I’ve read at least a dozen different reviews, and hearing that AMD is cherry picking their reviewers does not distill much confidence in me to the accuracy and objectiveness of those articles.

  • Migotsi

    So are you a trusted press partner or a journalist?

  • John Strickland

    So many AMD twats on this thread…idiots! 🙂

    • FlX3R

      Explain why you’re not an Idiot?

      • John Strickland

        Because…I don’t buy AMD garbage,that makes me not a twat. lol

        • FlX3R

          So I was right, you’re an Idiot lol

        • doombadger

          I dunno. You seem like a fucking twat to me, son.

  • Ashley Gann

    Generally speaking I like you reviews – I don’t think you all should have your panties in a wad, just drink some water and drive on.

    • John Strickland

      Errr…what? lol

      • Ashley Gann

        Find a better 7850k review than this – http://bit.ly/1K99ORg
        Dislike them if you wish, but they do provide some solid insight.

  • John Strickland

    Want a card that will beat the shit,out of the 390X Fury? Read the reviews for the Gigabyte GTX 980ti G1 Gaming card…it will kick the living shit,out of the 390X Fury.

    • Kasper Lysbjerg Jørgensen

      There is no 390x Fury you major idiot.
      390x was never ment to “kick the ass out of 980 ti”, its just a more stable fucking card of 290x.

      The Fury X is another series and that shit, will kick Nvidia back to the writing table.
      Get your facts right, NvidiaIdiotFanBoy.

      This arcticle is complete bullshit

      • J_P

        Hmm, seems to me you are either an AMD fanboy or an Nvidia fanboy. Which is better? Seems to me you are an AMD fanboy, therefore you are no better than the Nvidia fanboy. Pwned

        • Kasper Lysbjerg Jørgensen

          The most shitty comeback ive ever seen.
          Pwned? Hahaha, grow up kid..

          Okey. Am i, an AMD fanboy, because John is an idiot, and dont know the names?
          Wew lad. And i have 1 card from AMD. I had the GTX 970 but the card sucks.
          And because the FuryX beat’s the GTX 980 ti, why am I an FanBoy? AMD just made a stronger card?? Idiots everywhere.

    • doombadger

      The 390X ISN’T A FURY YOU STUPID LITTLE FANBOI CUNT!

    • Blockchains

      390x != Fury, hope this helps.

    • epiquestions

      First of all the 300 series is just a rebrand and different from fury. You might want to get your facts straight begore going fullfanboy mode

    • Trenter

      It’s past your bed time little twat.

    • EzDzR

      When you bring a 390x Fury to the conversation, can’t tell if trolling or fanboying or both.

    • James Gore

      What is a “390x Fury”? There is the 390x and there is the Fury X. Being that you aren’t educated enough to discern between the two, we probably shouldn’t pay much attention to anything else you say.

  • Blockchains

    With ‘articles’ like this, no wonder they’re not giving you cards. What a hack of a site.

    • J_P

      I’m very confused by your comment. You think journalist sites shouldn’t publish things like this? How else will the public hear about these somewhat shady business practices? Maybe it isn’t shady, but if journalists don’t publish these stories we will never hear about them.

      • Trenter

        What’s shady is the articles title and photo. It’s not like amd aren’t allowing publications to review their products, they just aren’t sending samples out to all publications. Kitguru has released several articles and videos speculating on the fury x before even knowing the official specs or receiving the hardware. In those videos and articles they expressed their certainty that fury x probably couldn’t compete with titan x and would be lucky to match gtx 980 while claiming 2x 8pin power connectors were proof of extremely high power consumption. They should have saved those opinions for the review instead of forming a biased opinion beforehand.

      • Blockchains

        Let’s make something clear here: This smear piece isn’t ‘journalism’, and these aren’t ‘journalists’ if they’re behaving in this manner. The ‘article’ is packed with absolute dreck.

        Besides, why should AMD effectively pay ‘journalists’ [sic] to basically sh*t all over their products? (By means of supplying them with a $650 graphics card, which many reviewers don’t get anyway) How is that ‘shady’? AMD is under no obligation to actually provide any press samples at all.

        • Kayden

          Let’s make something clear to you: The readers should know sites are being bullied to provide positive articles to GET review samples.

          I agree no company is under and contractual obligation to provide a sample to any site that does a review, but to only provide samples to sites that provide AMD positive press is misrepresenting the value of the product reviewed. A review should be objective and unbiased but when companies resort to kind of tactic, it means they know the product they’re offering is below expectations.

          This not smear journalism. This is in point of fact providing the readers some insight into how a company conducts it’s business when the consumer would have no other knowledge of these facts because they have no access to these companies in a journalistic way.

          From where I sit, I see a fan boy or an AMD lacky trying to do damage control because it’s negative press on a product, and if it fails, it will bring AMD one step closer to bankruptcy. I want an unbiased review of every product I read at a tech site and this for me (and other people) give this site, and others that report on such things, more clout.

          If it doesn’t for you for whatever reason, stop letting fact’s get in the way of your personal and emotional views. Because the cold hard fact is, AMD is bullying sites to do their bidding, plain and simple.

          • Blockchains

            AMD has been regularly trashed by various tech reviewers whilst simultaneously giving nVidia a free pass. There was, realistically, little outcry about the false advertising of specifications on the GTX 970, GameWorks abuse (literally almost none on this front), and various other nVidia-centric fúck-ups. It’s unsurprising that AMD themselves are beginning to fight back a bit when they’re regularly given the finger.

            Anyway, with respect to review samples, you want my honest opinion? Review sites shouldn’t be receiving hardware from companies at all to begin with. They should be buying them themselves off the shelf like anyone else, and using the money from ad revenue to do so. There’s an intrinsic bias instilled when a tech reviewer is supplied with a sample, and there’s no guarantee that the press sample is identical to what the consumer would receive regardless.

            Anyway, why is it that this site as well as Kit Guru are not receiving samples, yet other sites are? Care to explain why, specifically, this site is not receiving a press sample? Evidently they had to do something to really piss off AMD to make this happen. In the case of Kit Guru, I think what happened was obvious.

            EDIT: Also nice work resorting to calling me a shill. I can assure you that I am not, for what it’s worth. Might want to stick to the discussion at hand, though.

          • Kayden

            I didn’t call you shill. At worst I was saying you are providing a biased point of view and not considering the facts so you spin the conversation to make it fit in your limited opinion. It is sticking to the discussion at hand, you just don’t like the fact I recognized and unfounded fact you tried to pass as legitimate fact. Read above to see the reply I left for the other guy. It covers most of what you both said. Have a nice day.

          • CERO

            Someone mentioned that lately their site is balls deep in negativity against AMD.
            If someone has that much beef against AMD, no surprise they ceased to support their “unbiased” site.

          • 12John34

            Not giving someone a free sample because it is suspected that, that person will do a negative review no matter what, or because you want to give a priority to other sites, is not bulling. It’s not everything black or white. If something is not white, it doesn’t mean that it will definitely be black.

          • Kayden

            Ah now your speculating as to the intent of the author beyond the meaning of their words. Just because you or the majority of others maybe that vindictive, it does not mean the author is. If you have EVIDENCE and not wild speculation then present it, if you don’t then you should give the author the benefit of the doubt when you do not know anything better.

            By the way, yes it is bullying. For the simple fact they are not providing samples to those who will provide an impartial review. AMD knows they are in trouble and are trying to only present the facts that will give them the chance to have the greatest positive spin. This is not informing the reader/potential customer, it is misleading them to think something is superior when it isn’t.

            Here is another fact about this whole thing, AMD wishes to only have a positive message about their product and are willing to force those who are impartial in a review (by being balanced and informative) into buying said product to generate some profit from these tech sites. Where the only benefit they get is traffic but even the ads don’t add up to the cost of the unit.

            Again, AMD is under no contractual obligation to provide samples but because they know they have an inferior product and it wont hold up against their competitor(s), they’re trying to control the press about their product and get more sales from sites that want worry about traffic and that is their choice, but in my opinion, AMD is the bad guy here because of said reasons above.

            I expect an impartial review when I read them. I do not expect propaganda from journalists, especially in the tech industry. There is enough problems with regular news organizations and I’m glad to see tech sites standing their ground in this matter.

          • Fusho

            No one’s stopping these guys from BUYING a video card and reviewing it. I fail to see how this can be seen as a plot to control them when they can do a review when the card is released.

          • Kayden

            Let me word it another way, why does a tech site have to buy a product to provide an unbiased and impartial review? These sites barely have enough to operate most of the time, let alone pay for hardware that wouldn’t even be covered in the ad revenue generated by that article. The reason you fail to see this point is beyond me. ALL review should be unbiased and impartial. The sites are here to INFORM the consumer not misrepresent a product so they buy it. Car dealers did it to the automotive industry and look at how many laws had to be passed for that to get somewhat straightened out. Nissan did it not that long with misleading mileage on the Prius! I certainly don’t think we need laws to prevent this but it will come if enough customers feel ripped off.

            Here is something else I have to wonder, if you support the company so much, why don’t you buy the product for these tech sites and let me provide an impartial review with only mentioning your name at the end as the supplier? Why don’t you put your money where your mouth is before you tell others to do it?

          • Fusho

            You make some assumptions about me that are unfounded. This isn’t about AMD for me. You could literally take AMD out of the article and put the name of any company in there and the reactions of people reading this would be near the same.

            “all review should be unbiased and impartial”. I guess yours and their assumption here is that AMD is forcing them to make partial reviews for them by not giving them a sample? I’m sure if you step back a few moments and think about this, you can see how it doesn’t work that way. You’d have to have the card and then be given a proposition of some sort to sweeten the pot, so to speak. What happened here is AMD just doesn’t feel they merit a sample. Whether that’s because they feel they are not going to give them a fair review or it’s the fact that the readership of this site is below a million regular users, that is AMD’s own business. Simply put, not giving them a sample does not = forcing them to become biased towards AMD.

            And as for your analog of the car industry to pc hardware manufacturers? Really? Saying words and making weak analogies does not make you correct. If there were an actual story of AMD trying to force the hand of eteknix, you wouldn’t see thread upon thread of people in the comments section turning on them. the comments aren’t even so much people going “huuurr durr, AMD rox, Eteknix is bad”. It’s people pointing out how petty this article appears. And, frankly it is petty and just looks like a poor attempt to get their readership to turn on AMD and force them(AMD) to cough up a sample for review. They give zero examples of AMD telling them to play ball. AMD just told them they didn’t have enough samples to give them one(indirectly telling them they weren’t important enough). They come off as pitiful and it seems a lot of people who read that excuse for a story agreed. Had this been an actual news story and not a plea for help, I’d be on board with them.

            And lastly, about me supplying them with a card? Number one, I’m probably waiting till December or early next year to buy a card. But first, I’ll read some reviews, maybe even one from this site, when they get one up(=. Number two, this is probably the most emotional part of your post. I think you should calm down and think things through before posting next time.

          • Kayden

            I don’t care what company does it. It is underhanded and unethical practices to rip off the consumer. The only “assumption” I made about you is that you’re willing to tell people how to spend their money but you wont put your money where your mouth is. Since you seem to have an over-active imagination about what is and what isn’t, I’ll leave it at that.

          • 12John34

            Typical post. You demand evidence from the other person in the beginning of your post, still in the rest of your post you throw your speculations like it is a list of facts. If you can’t accept any other opinion than yours, don’t play it smart.

          • Kayden

            Typical? Really? You must provide a lot of unfounded remarks for it to be a “typical post” for you.

          • 12John34

            Yes typical. It’s typical post of someone who believes that his opinion is a law of nature, and any other opinion a fantasy.

          • Kayden

            And yet you’re the one acting as the superior by stating what my intentions are. How pervasively arrogant of you.

            Look here is my point, the fact is that AMD or hell any company would do this is underhanded and unethical. If you’re advocating that companies should be allowed to do it then it is because you hope to get away with the same sort of vile actions. Consumers should have a fair and balanced opinion of a product in a review and if customers can’t get unbiased review, then sites like this should tell their side of the story where they’re being bullied by them. If you can’t come to terms that reviewers shouldn’t have ethical standards then you’re part of the problem.

          • 12John34

            Arrogant? I only posted an opinion about not everything being black or white. I see no arrogance in there.

            What followed was speculations from your part, about what I meant, what are my motives, what I think or believe. You conveniently focused on the part of my post you didn’t liked and ignore the rest of it, because it suited you to do so. My post was neutral, still by cutting part of it and pasting your speculations on it, you distorted it’s meaning so you have an excuse to attack that neutral perspective. Your fairy tail had to have a dragon in it and a neutral opinion was as bad, if not worst, as a different opinion from yours.

            I would advice you to relax a little and stop the witch hunting.

          • Kayden

            You know it’s funny, this is happening to multiple sites and there is talk about this else where on the net. Sure it isn’t anything new to the industry and probably will keep happening, but I don’t agree with it because I’m a moral person. I can’t speak to what sort of person that you are but since the only demeanor I have seen from you is you publicly ridiculing the site for informing it’s readers, I have to suspect you don’t have such morals when it comes to business. So what is apparent, and factual at this point, that AMD is denying sites samples that are objective and honest about its products. There is no debate, it is happening, whether you believe it is arrogant / smug superiority or not. YOU don’t like that is is happening and so you’re smearing the messenger and demonizing the people who show them support. There is no witch hunt when it is a FACT, I’ve never a met a fact I didn’t accept, even if it was inconvenient to my personal feelings or contradicted previous information I held as fact. I suggest you do the same. Again, if you have proof of something different then present it, but stop saying your opinion is fact when you know it isn’t. Therefore I have to ask, where are your morals in this? Because I haven’t seen them. I’ve seen you deflect when challenged and then say it’s speculation when the facts are right in front of you. You’ve also presumed to understand my thoughts and intentions and you’ve done it to the author as well. So again I have to ask, where are your morals in this?

          • 12John34

            If you are a moral person don’t come to insulting conclusions for other persons that you have never met in your life. Directly or indirectly. You are doing it in this post multiple times again. Probably you should check the word morality again in the dictionary, because you have a total different meaning in your mind, than the true definition of that word.

            As for your last post and the posts before it, they already proved that you are biased. They prove nothing else. And you insist that yours and only yours opinion, is the truth and the only truth.

          • Kayden

            Truth is such a subjective word though. What maybe a truth for you is not the same as it is for someone else based on their experiences. Which is why I used the word fact. A fact is intangible, you can’t twist it unless you use personal feelings, unfounded assumptions, bad discovery methods to justify it. It is a sick and twisted thing to deny what is right in front of you. I don’t care your unhappy about what I’ve called you out on, because your actions speak louder than words. You’ve demonstrated your inability to consider this as also being a moral issue. Also, words have more than on definition if you can’t comprehend the use in a sentence, than there is nothing I can do for you. Other than to say expand your horizons and vocabulary. It’s interesting you think the way you do but it abhors me that sort of mentality still exists in today’s so called enlightened age. Oh, you presented your position as point of fact and not hypothetical so if you were trying to assert a different frame of reference for your words, then you should have chose them more carefully because I took you at face value and I’m sure many more people did as well.

          • 12John34

            By saying something that it is accepted generally in the beginning of your post, doesn’t make the rest of your post valid. In fact, your post is really funny. You address me while you are doing self-critisism. And don’t try to sell me “experiences”. What, you think the rest of us who post at Disqus where born yesterday and only you have the knowledge? Give me a brake, will you? Go and find a 5 years old to troll.

          • Kayden

            I don’t assume anything about you other then how you’ve presented yourself and your opinion in this discussion. From what I’ve experienced and seen throughout is you love to say other opinions are fact and then berate the person because it doesn’t match your opinion and then throw out quips, which are pretty arrogant to say the least, to obfuscate your opinion so you don’t have to provide proof or any other sort of facts to back up your previous claim. While that sort of tactic is smart, you ultimately come off as derisive to the people you respond to or the author. If you want me or anyone else to take you seriously, then be serious in your intent to put your money where your mouth is and provide evidence to support your so called truths. Prove me wrong and I will concede. Up until this point you’ve done nothing but ridicule and mock me and the author for saying this is wrong and then whine like a 3 year old cause you aren’t getting your way. Grow up.

          • 12John34

            You don’t assume, you are only insulting me with every way possible. Nice. Are you going to continue with this comedy?

          • Kayden

            Are you going to be objective and accept the facts?

            Here’s an assumption, no you wont. You will still blame others and ridicule facts because they don’t fit in your little bubble. You’ve done it before.

            If anything is a tragic comedy and the tragedy is that you’re being close minded and hate others that don’t agree with you, even when the facts stare you right in the face. Nothing will ever be good enough cause you will invent, slander or just ignore what you don’t like. That is a tragedy in of it self.

          • 12John34

            Facts? Comedy continues.

            And please, stop coping my posts and try to make them look like yours. After every post I do, you copy part of it and use that part as your own argument, trying to give the impression that I was saying something different. Give me a break will you. Go and troll someone else. You are boring.

          • Kayden

            I haven’t copied a single post. Wow, you really love to make this up as you go long aye?

            EDIT: I honestly cannot fathom how stupid that comment was. And like I said to some one else. No one can fix stupid and I’m going to quit trying. BTW denial is a river in Africa and Africa is a continent. I’m sure you’ll find something wrong with those facts as well.

          • 12John34

            Duracell.

            BTW denial is a river in Africa and Africa is a continent. I’m sure you’ll find something wrong with those facts as well.

            Nile is a river in Egypt which is indeed in Africa, and Africa is indeed a continent.

            Denial and stupidity is something where you excel.

          • Kayden

            I can’t believe you never heard or used that particular play on words. Get over your ego and stupidity, the world will be a better place for you.

          • 12John34

            Yes I have, but the way you posted it makes me believe that you opened wikipedia after reading “Nile”, did a facepalm, and now try to cover up. Based on your previous posts and the stupidity they carry, I totally believe that you thought the name of the river was Denial. Anyway I may be wrong here, English is not my native language. But I still believe that you are “Three birds sitting”.

          • Kayden

            Get over it!

          • 12John34

            I posted a simple “it’s not everything black or white”. You where so much upset with that, that you wrote a book full of insults, personal opinions, and stupid remarks. Now you want ME to get over it? LOL you are funny.
            You know that you don’t have the obligation to keep posting here, right?

          • Kayden

            You just love to spin things to your favor don’t you? Seriously, get your ego in check or you could go into politics. That group really loves to love themselves.

          • 12John34

            You can stop trolling any time.

          • Kayden

            Here I thought you were trolling me. Funny how our opinions differ.

          • 12John34

            I would be frightened if out opinions where not different, based on what you wrote until now.

          • Kayden

            That I can agree with you on.

          • 12John34

            Finally you understand that your post where THAT bad.

          • Kayden

            I was in a rush to do something and I hit post with out realizing it. My intent was to quote you here “I would be frightened if out opinions where not different” but that second part is total bollix. I wont make the same mistake. For that mistake I apologize for. If I’m wrong I’ll own up to it. Up until this point, you’ve done nothing to prove your position so no I will not apologize for disagreeing with you or my facts and opinions because you’ve done nothing to disprove them. Have a nice day.

          • 12John34

            You do realize that you don’t have to keep posting here right? I mean this is an ancient post if we consider how fast news become old news on the internet. No one is looking at this article anymore, no one is looking at what we post.

            PS I have TO PROVE that NOT everything is black or white? I like your humor.

          • Kayden

            Its funny how you keep tell me to do things you yourself are unwilling to do. Do as you say not as you do? It’s also sad you chose to take one thing I said to than compare it to one singular comment you made to be self-aggrandizing. You’re becoming more qualified for the political carrier with each passing post.

          • 12John34

            Oh come on, don’t cry.

          • Kayden

            There you go speculating and thinking it is fact again. Seriously how can yo be so obtuse?

            At this point you’ve proven yourself to be very egotistical and unwilling to prove your claims. I can’t begin to tell you how stupid or crazy that sounds because you’ve probably heard it all before.

            I can only think of this quote when I see you speak now “You can’t reason with crazy, you can’t argue with stupid.” and because of that, I’m gonna quit trying.

          • CERO

            Which is funny, have seen yourself in the mirror? because you just described yourself in your last line.
            You’ve gone past “full retard” in many of the comments threads here.

          • 12John34

            Still want me to prove that not everything is black or white? Still insulting? Still here?

          • RSVP

            perfect response. ! totally agree . amd is also sending out false benchmarking reports. on their blog they’ve removed images of benchmarks showing the fury beating the 980ti in some gameworks titles with physx on . once review sites caught on to this they quickly retracted the images and denied they were ever up.

          • Trenter

            You’re full of crap. Those performance benchmarks are all over the internet for everyone to see and physx was not activated in the game options.

          • CERO

            An apples to apples comparison should have the physX effects off.
            why? Because Nvidia (been confirmed many times online)
            Sabotages the algorithms of PhysX on systems that have no nvidia gpu (like when its using CPU only)

        • Fiji-Si

          Well said.

        • FlX3R

          The thing is most sites that are pro nvidia got the boot (PCPER, TechReport, KitGuru etc) and we will know on the 24th who they are. Maybe AMD will change its mind if these sites repent never to be the mouth piece of nvidia again.

      • FlX3R

        What Journalists?

        I know a few “Journalists” creating some sites as we speak – Lets see if Nvidia send them Sample cards after nvidia see their biased GPU reviews, yeah!

        This game can be played from both sides – remember that. Its not hard to make review sites these days and employ a few workers or buy hardware if one has to.

  • Joel Whitney

    Kitguru and eteknix Brought it upon themselves so I have no sympathy for them or for your site!! Piss off..

    • epiquestions

      Well you can stop visiting their site anytime

    • FISH

      how so?

  • Blockchains

    Not very frequently, really. Have you seen me post in other articles on this site?

  • 12John34

    KitGuru is blocking accounts like there is no tomorrow. They created an account there with the name “Jeff” to defend the site. Damage control. When I pointed out that that account was new, they deleted all my posts at KitGuru. They failed miserably as a site. I have to give credit to eteknix for not doing something similar.

    • ZardonKG

      From what I hear 13 ‘people’ were caught by the KitGuru moderator team this morning for spamming the pages under the same IP from at least 35 fake accounts. Perhaps yours was one of them. If it wasn’t then you should email the guys over there to confirm why you were banned.

      • 12John34

        More lies I guess. Based on Disqus stats and IF I am reading them correctly, because I was just realizing this morning that it offers that kind of stats. I am THIRD in the list of KitGuru posters. As you can guess, the above statement from KitGuru is just BS to cover up the fact that they created fake accounts to support the site and when they realized that things where out of control they started banning people. KitGuru is dead for me.

        • Allan

          Well you certainly seem to hate KitGuru, but I wouldn’t let it give you a heart attack or anything, maybe best spending the weekend playing some games as you seem really upset and stressed out. I will ping the moderator guys to find out why they banned you.

          • 12John34

            Hate? Please, if you want to do a fair dialog just do a fair dialog, without coming to conclusions or irony. When someone is a top poster in a site it means that he had high respect for that site, all that time. How can you call that hate? I am over 40, I am posting for 15+ years online, on other sites or forums, KitGuru was just one of them. It is not my life. Give me a break here and if you want to say something at least don’t insult my intelligence, OK?

      • Russell Collins

        Allan has 5 comments and 2 votes. Not a new account at all.

        • 12John34

          I haven’t realized it first, when answering his posts, but latter that “Allan” plus the “ZardonKG” he have under that name when looking at his profile, points to the person who wrote that article at KitGuru. It could be that person or someone who tries to pass as that person.

          http://www.kitguru.net/site-news/announcements/zardon/amd-withdraw-kitguru-fury-x-sample-over-negative-content/

          It doesn’t really matter. Deleting posts is something you should never do. The whole story about Fury X cards will be forgotten one way or the other. The stamp “They ban accounts there” will stay for much longer on KitGuru.

      • FlX3R

        BS they deleted “almost” every comment that was critical of them (not rude). I actually have pictures of them doing this, and prior to this (I stated this on wccftech a week or so ago). They deleted my comments for saying something positive about AMD.

      • 12John34

        AHAHAHAHA!!!!! Pity you banned me. I wanted to like that post that was saying “Lol, go **** yourself.” in the comments section about Radeon memory. Going from being biased against a company to insulting all their customers is a new low for you. Maybe you should re enable all those fake Disqus accounts to defend the site once more.

        I wonder who had that idea giving you a Nano? They should have totally ban you.

        JMO off course. Never mind. Enjoy doing damage control. AHAHAHAHA!!!!!

      • 12John34

        AHAHAHAHA!!!!! Pity you banned me. I wanted to like that post that was saying “Lol, go **** yourself.” in the comments section about Radeon memory. Going from being biased against a company to insulting all their customers is a new low for you. Maybe you should re enable all those fake Disqus accounts to defend the site once more.

        I wonder who had that idea giving you a Nano? They should have totally ban you.

        JMO off course. Never mind. Enjoy doing damage control. AHAHAHAHA!!!!!

      • 12John34

        AHAHAHAHA!!!!! Pity you banned me. I wanted to like that post that was saying “Lol, go **** yourself.” in the comments section about Radeon memory. Going from being biased against a company to insulting all their customers is a new low for you. Maybe you should re enable all those fake Disqus accounts to defend the site once more.

        I wonder who had that idea giving you a Nano? They should have totally ban you.

        JMO off course. Never mind. Enjoy doing damage control. AHAHAHAHA!!!!!

      • 12John34

        AHAHAHAHA!!!!! Pity you banned me. I wanted to like that post that was saying “Lol, go **** yourself.” in the comments section about Radeon memory. Going from being biased against a company to insulting all their customers is a new low for you. Maybe you should re enable all those fake Disqus accounts to defend the site once more.

        I wonder who had that idea giving you a Nano? They should have totally ban you.

        JMO off course. Never mind. Enjoy doing damage control. AHAHAHAHA!!!!!

      • 12John34

        AHAHAHAHA!!!!! Pity you banned me. I wanted to like that post that was saying “Lol, go **** yourself.” in the comments section about Radeon memory. Going from being biased against a company to insulting all their customers is a new low for you. Maybe you should re enable all those fake Disqus accounts to defend the site once more.

        I wonder who had that idea giving you a Nano? They should have totally ban you.

        JMO off course. Never mind. Enjoy doing damage control. AHAHAHAHA!!!!!

  • Scion

    Oh look, another misleading clickbait title article by eteknix… shock, surprise, faints* Seriously, putting that image in your article just comes across as petty.

    • Fusho

      Completely agree.

  • scott white

    there are those people out there who’s opinion can not be changed no matter what amd does
    they could release a product that absolutely destroyed nvidia in all categories and they would find something no matter how small to justified their opinion and this includes some reviewers .

  • wowgivemeabreak

    Only the AMD diehards can see a company do this and shrug and somehow flip it to rag on Nvidia and reviewers.

    Is AMD everyone’s handicapped child that people feel the need to defend from the big bad world? My goodness, they are a major corporation and people shouldn’t be defending some of their idiotic decisions like not including hdmi 2.0 and not sending review cards to *gasp* websites that may not act like freebie AMD marketing.

    I really hope this card is a great performer yet AMD is really dropping the ball in such simple ways.

    • CERO

      I dont see the complains. Nvidia got bashed for being very slow in their additions as well.

      like multiple monitors needing 2 cards to work or similar issues.

      • Gunnar Vik

        TitanX runs 3 screens fine, But earlier cards u might have had to use more cards in sli to run multiscreen. I can say this i will NEVER buy another amd/ati card ever again. Intel/nvidia all the way for me.

        • CERO

          I never mentioned the TITAN.

          The guy is claiming that AMD as been idiotic for not adding all the addons, when AMD was actually the one who pushed for new addons all the time and with the “free” type (not closed tech that required royalties)
          .
          Nvidia refused to upgrade to latest directX for example, until they had their 8000 lineup. AMD always pushed for the newest version in their cards.

          Nvidia used older HDMI interfaces and DVI (slower rates, requiring 2 cables to run a single monitor on higher resolution for example)
          Nvidia not adding multimonitor until years later and even with severe limitations (2 cards need in SLI in certain modes for example)

          There are many examples, but I feel very funny that suddenly everyone is ripping on AMD like they were the only ones doing this.

  • Tour_of_Rooms

    I for one think the so called choice reviewers in the review market that post their extensive reviews and claims about products are not always what they seem and many make claims that boast of one products greatness while pitting against another’s weakness and all the while are being paid to make inaccurate claims to sway the masses to believe one companies product is better than the other merely for product promotion and sales. Maybe few samples are being released based on that premiss or, AMD has no intention of releasing samples to biased reviewers who are waiting patiently to exploit an otherwise great product for all of it’s weaknesses and totally remain objective while still making sure they show favor for obvious competitors offerings

    Elaborate websites with all of the effort that goes into making a robust review takes time and is not something these people do for free. The free sample is not all that is passed on to these websites. Half the posts made in the discussions are usually website employees that are backing alot of the claims made in a product review. Although not always 100% accurate, especially due to the many utilities we users have to protect our privacy, there is a tracking system that is used to calculate if sales are a result of getting info from reviews sites. Or at bare minimum, the hit counter that keeps tabs on how much attention is drawn to a site and the review. Quotas might be in place. Maybe some do not show themselves as worthy advocates

    The whole AMD vs nVidea and even the AMD vs iNTeL wars have alot of very carefully and strategically planned reviews that even when factual can mislead alot of uneducated people to thinking a benchmark program or isolated test is going to give the same results for all end users. What a crock this is and very transparent anymore, even the half witted. Given the fact that an AMD product may have the power to be tweaked to outperform some highly regarded prducts by nVidea or even inTeL, the online review site manages to corrupt the minds to focus on other details that will put that AMD product under scrutiny and perhaps even destroy it’s credibilty. And the reviewer who can do this best is going to get the gold medal. Or the silver, or bronze, or….. the sample of a new product.

    Bottom Line? Yea, I think alot of reviewers are on the take. And maybe all of those cry babies who are whining about not making the last for a sample just have to send their preliminary negative vibes, with the title of their article being

    “Things go from Bad to Worse for Reviews of AMD Radeon Fury X”

    Let’s see what controversies spawn from some hard to swallow truths

    • Kayden

      So informing potential customers that AMD is strong arming reviewers to provide a positive spin on another failed product is whining? Seriously?!? I am at a loss for words as to how stupid that sounds. It is unethical to pull that kind of crap and I for one am glad that I’ve been informed! This site and others backup other things I’ve heard second and dismissed because I didn’t want to believe it but it is!

      I’ve said before I disapprove of any company that participates in these sort of activities. Yes it is hard to make a purchase because I know in the back of my mind review sites could be misleading me, which is why I prefer to go to sites that aren’t mainstream, there is less likely a chance for it to happen but it still can. I understand that. This is also why I rely on peer-reviews as best I can if the circumstances allow for it.

      What I don’t expect is to see a company like AMD who says its products are being sabotaged by its competitors (ie Witcher 3 and HairWorks) to then try and swindle it’s customers a few months later!

      I also don’t understand why you have a problem with the title. They were describing events that happened to them in the process of obtaining a sample to test, plain and simple. You’re blowing it out of proportion because you assumed it to be something else. Things aren’t always what they appear on a single line, which is why you read the article to better understand it. Could it have been worded better, maybe, would it have informed those who only read one liners? Probably not as efficiently. Everything is easier when you have hindsight on your side. Stop being so quick to judge someone when you have no personal involvement, you could have done worse.

      • CERO

        JUST.. BUY.. THE.. CARD… Also Nvidia as definitively sabotaged AMD in the past (reducing heavily the image quality, like AA or AF to be faster than AMD cards for example. or using different algorithms and claiming AMD systems “are not supported” (even if they ran fine like that batman game that had AA enabled for AMD cards for a bit before Nvida telling them to disable, because its a “the way its meant to be played” title)?

        For someone who claims himself a journalist, I’m kinda surprised how clueless you are.

        As for “You’re blowing it out of proportion because you assumed it to be something else.”
        Perhaps you could have settled for a less attention whore yellow type “journalism” when you created this inflammatory article?
        You get no points for doing it.

        • Kayden

          I’ve seen the interview where AMD accused NVIDIA of sabotaging certain game but there was nothing in it that proved they do that. The problem is the developer didn’t optimize the game for AMD drivers. I think developers should optimize their games for both manufacturers but just because NVIDIA provided .dlls for games to run certain features that are optimized for their hardware, doesn’t meant those features are running when disabled in game on either platform. Show me where the .dll are running in a game when the feature is turned off and I will concede it is deliberate sabotage but until then, I will continue to believe it is the developer who is at fault and not NVIDIA for it not be optimized for the AMD platform or AMDs fault for not supporting its hardware by updating its drivers on a regular basis.

          I don’t understand what you mean by “Perhaps you could have settled for a less attention whore yellow type “journalism” when you created this inflammatory article?” Does this mean you only approve of articles that don’t inform the customer when they media is be coerced into doing things they ethically believe isn’t right? Sure, if this was just one site claiming this then I wouldn’t probably say it’s just whining but when several have the same problem and then AMD provides it to other sites who’ve not done reviews for AMD before or provided positive press in the past, that is cause for concern.

          • CERO

            There is a gigantic difference in “optimizing” and outright cheating. Please, as a reviewer like you, I’m surprised you forgot the saga of Batman that blocked the AA on AMD cards. Also nice defence “show me the dll”.. Yeah because I would totally have the dll that was removed days after the first release from 4 or so years ago.

            Also, you keep repeating “Ethic”. They do not have to give you a card for you to make a review. You can buy it and then review it.
            You are now sounding like a petulant child that has everything for granted.
            Also, Nvidia has done the same thing MANY TIMES IN THE PAST. Yet I didn’t see the same uproar you trying to cause for AMD now.

          • CERO

            STOP, just stop.

            Have you tried to stop for a moment to read what you’re writing?
            Now you’re sounding like a petulant child who takes everything for granted and having a hissy fit for finally getting denied.

            But First things First…

            There is a gigantic difference in “optimizing” and outright cheating. Something that you keep dodging and claim that never happened. Multiple reviews sites (including big ones as anandtech) spoke many times about this during the years of the “Review Wars”.

            Second, for someone who claims to be informed. I am shocked of how clueless you are (or if you’re outright lying to try to further your agenda).

            One of the Batman games, upon release… Had AA enabled for both Nvidia Cards and AMD Cards.
            Then mere days AFTER the release of the game.. there was a “quick patch”. And then suddenly the AA for AMD Cards was gone.

            Nvidia fanboys claimed it was “exclusive” for Nvidia because of “The Way its meant to be played” game.
            Nvidia and Rocksteady claimed that it was “unstable” on AMD Cards (bullshit that was debunked when a reviewer had the unpatched version and ran flawless on AMD hardware).

            They outright blocked the AA on AMD cards to claim superiority thru the “The way its meant to be played”.
            Your silly defence of “show me the dll”.. attempt is laughable. Just shows how biased you are against AMD now.
            And its not like it was a single DLL anyway.
            Not that anyone could have kept that original file for 4+ years.

            Also, you keep repeating “Ethic”.

            For someone who keeps repeating the Ethic work and Journalism, you just proved you have no point in trying to shield yourself with these words. You have show no integrity at all. Just a plain rant, a beef up, a vendetta for not having your way.

            They do not have to give you a card for you to make
            a review. You can buy it and then review it.
            Again, You are now sounding like a petulant child that takes everything for granted.

            As for Nvidia. They have done the same thing MANY TIMES IN THE PAST. Hell, there were even memos leaked from Nvidia PR that outright said websites should have a positive score in their cards, if not they will not receive cards in the future for review.

            In short, you’re just making this a personal vendetta against AMD that has NOTHING to do with “journalism” or “ethics”.

          • Kayden

            This is (http://i.imgur.com/Q4imYyV.png) what I’m responding too, since you’ve decided to alter your comment I have provided your original statement.

            I haven’t forgotten that but you’re now comparing apples to oranges.
            AA is something that effects the quality of the graphics and will always
            hamper a games performance when enabled. The issue we were discussing was AMD’s performance being hampered by features that were enabled in the game even when disabled, not blocking features from being enabled. Now, if you went with the Crysis 2 and tessellation of the water, that would have made more sense. Because that was enabled with no way to turn it off, if I remember right, and NVIDIA runs tessellation better than AMD. If you want to dam me than dam me for the topic were discussing not by changing the talking points because I’ve made a point you can’t rebuff.

            As far as you sarcastic comment about the .dll point, get over it. If you or AMD wont do the foot work to prove your theories correct then don’t blame others for calling you or AMD out on it. We aren’t here to do your bidding to find the evidence, the burden of proof lays with either AMD or those who support its claims. Besides if I did go out and get proof and proved it wasn’t happening, you would than claim I or the test was bias, for whatever reason you could conjure up. It is a catch 22 argument you can make whether I have the proof you want
            or not. Therefore, you need to prove it and the results must be repeatable, if its confirmed by myself or other reliable people, I will
            take it as fact. Plain and simple. If you want to win the point, than do
            it. But don’t act like you or AMD are the victims here because you
            won’t prove your claims.

            As far as the “you can go out and buy it” statement. I’ve said it
            before, these sites barely have enough to operate let alone pay for
            hardware that costs more than what some people make in a week. What is deplorable is that you’re willing to tell people how to spend their money. If you want to provide it with only your name as the supplier as the only caveat, then go right a head. Just don’t tell
            others what they have to do satisfy your inflammatory point of view.

            Also, it isn’t childlike to say someone (or myself) can’t do something, like buy every piece of hardware on the market for a review. If you disagree with that, than I implore you to reevaluate why you think every site can afford to do so. I would encourage you to start your search by looking at how much it costs to operate a site similar to this one, how much traffic these sites actually have and then how much each click on each advertisement will generate. With those numbers you’ll be able to approximate what a site earns in ad revenue. I’m challenging you to do this so you know I’m not skewing any data and it’s pretty easy to look up, it just takes a little time.

            I’ve said it before. I don’t appreciate any company that does this sort of thing and if it was public, I would comment on it publicly. When it does happen to those I know and we discuss it in a private conversation, I do say it is unethical and apprehensive but only in private. I should not have to justify my position for you but I have. The reason I have is because you seem to think my position is that of duality when it isn’t nor have I ever implied that it ever has been.

            At this point your making things up about me and you need to stop.

            The consumers need to know these thing are happening and any site that stands up for ethical reasons is putting themselves on the line from doing business with any other manufacturer ever again. Because of two reasons. First, if the site provided a biased or seemingly biased review and it came out (even if the EIC didn’t know about before it was published) it would harm the sites credibility and possibly shut it down. Second, business wouldn’t want to have this sort of information in public. If the site has done it once it could do it them as well so they are probably going to be more weary to provide anything to them ever again.

          • CERO

            I altered the comment because it was not clear and it was not letting me edit it (cue bug of DISQUS).

            As for your silly tirade and clueless responce of “If you want to dam me than dam me for the topic were discussing not by
            changing the talking points because I’ve made a point you can’t rebuff.”.

            Your point is easily rebuffed by a simple thing.
            Each card as STANDARD AA algorythms and also use proprietary ones for optimization.
            Are you telling me that comparing one with another is apples to apples?
            That the “Dynamic” or Adaptative AF of AMD is equal to Multisampling AF? (Nvidia as their own methods as well)
            Also we’re not talking just about AF in the “optimizations”. We’re talking about TEXTURE DEGRADATION on purpose (by Nvidia on past drivers) and even degraded color debt (less colors being rendered on textures) and other dirty things.

            Again, for someone who claims to be a professional reviewers, you’re making mountains out of molehills and then you try to cover your bullshit statements with baseless and ignorant claims.

            I still have no idea why you had to bring AF to this conversation. We’re talking about how Nvidia forced Rocksteady to disable the AA on AMD processors, despite them running fine on AMD hardware and Rocksteady shielding themselves by claiming “it was unstable”.

            There is also a very big difference in standard things like AF vs non standard like PHYSX.
            Tesellation is standard now, PhysX is not.
            AMD had the crown of tesellation before, good to see that Nvidia has it now, I still do not see how its relevant in the talk about tempering, cheating and/or sabotaging (by disabling things on one card or block them).

            As for your argument of :
            “Also, it isn’t childlike to say someone (or myself) can’t do something,
            like buy every piece of hardware on the market for a review. ”
            How it is Nvidia’s or AMD’s problem(or any other manufacturer problem)?
            Many smaller reviewers always had to buy THEIR OWN HARDWARE. Dont try to act to special now.
            Find sponsors then! Ask ASUS or other third party vendors, do not stick to AMD only then.

            And for the last argument you said this:
            “I’ve said it before. I don’t appreciate any company that does this sort of thing and if it was public”
            Spare me the bull, because Nvidia does exactly the same. I do not see you crying foul to Nvidia.
            Two wrongs dont make it a right, but it sure makes you look like a shill for Nvidia’s camp.

            As for the consumer.. the consumer as plenty of reviewers on youtube, many sites, major sites as well. What makes yours so special?
            All the people only see you whinning and doing the “me me me, oh whoe is me”. Not to mention how many(if not all) of your points are pretty weak.

          • Kayden

            You can’t rebuff something by changing the talking points from your previous argument! That is spinning and deflecting the conversation because you have no proof to prove your point other wise. At this point you’ve neither proven your point and reacted to my points with little a temperament that says “do it because I say say so”. That is based on your stop it and not willing to prove your point of view.

            Why are you not bothering to accept other facts, which you have been pointed to, and then blame others for not taking your word?
            In a discussion both sides must be willing to change their point of view, I am and you’ve proven you aren’t. If all you’re willing to be is biased and unwilling to accept anything beyond your bubble of that AMD is the victim here.

            Than you go right on believing that. I just hope you remember for future reference that your personal feelings or faith do not constitute a fact. Example, an opinion on faith and personal feeling is believing that the planet Earth is only 6,000 years old because someone says it to be true in a book written 2 thousand years ago. A fact is testing the Earth’s minerals and studies from other planetary bodies to help support the opinion of the theory the Earth is 4.5 million years old.

            Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to talk to people who are less driven by bias and close mindedness. Also, no I didn’t read the whole thing you wrote this time cause I can’t argue with crazy and you’ve proven you’re crazy beyond of a doubt.

          • CERO

            “You can’t rebuff something by changing the talking points from your
            previous argument! That is spinning and deflecting the conversation
            because you have no proof to prove your point other wise” –
            Wow!, no really, there are no words. In my long experience online.. I have encountered “special” individuals, but you take the cake whole in the negative way.

            I can only have one answer for you as a question. What the fuck are you smoking?

            I repeat, I removed the post because english is not my main language and I found mistakes. I tried to edit and DISQUS did not let me, hence why I deleted and rewrote it.

            As for the rest of your comment. Its clear you’ve gone nuts, you cant deny the points I made and you just trying to disregard it with your nutty remarks of the earth being 6,000 years old.

            Also nice deflect on the “close mindedness”. Because that’s exactly what did you show. deflect deflect, block, and not even read the points I made.

      • Tour_of_Rooms

        “So informing potential customers that AMD is strong arming reviewers to
        provide a positive spin on another failed product is whining?
        Seriously?!? I am at a loss for words as to how stupid that sounds”

        Yea, that does sound stupid. I’m just trying to figure out where in my post that I said that but now that I read everything again I am really the one guilty of using a poor choice of words. Some words might mean the same but just make a person’s attitude so much different:

        example:
        whining – I should say “complaining”
        or

        on the take – I should say “biased”

        Even I am taking what I said out of context when I read it again, and would probably want to slap myself upside my head. It looks as though I was taking pokes for reasons that don’t relate to what prompted my post in the first place.. Sorry about that.

        In searching for some specific info I stumbled upon this article and based on the title, I expected the article was about something completely different. My take on review sites was really directed towards some of the other well known sites that I do frequently visit when there are new product launches. And sometimes it is so obvious that a review is meant to put one product many grades below the competitor’s product being sold at the same price point and I’ve done my own testing on occassion only to find my results were not the same. And up to the time I made that post, I’d not heard of this site, so I shouldn’t associate eteknix with any of those sites that I think are biased. I have to apologize

  • Greg Lindstrom

    sounds like an apple tactic

  • James Gore

    All the sites I know of that matter are getting review samples. I never heard of this place or Kitguru until a few days ago while searching for more info on Fury X. Strange that these sites, being vastly and obviously less popular than sites like Anantech, HardOCP, etc. are showing up on top of Google searches with these click bait headlines.

    There will be plenty of non-biased reviews when the embargo drops. Many popular Youtubers claim to already have samples in the mail.

    There’s a difference between a negative review and a hit piece. Maybe your “journalists” should learn the difference.

    • Kayden

      Oh here comes the blame the author game! Honestly, how is the sites (multiple sites in this case) fault if a product doesn’t perform well in its price range against it’s competitor lead to them losing a sample cause they provided the facts to the consumer? Maybe “you” should learn the difference between spinning and facts.

      • James Gore

        Yet there is no product to test to see that it doesn’t perform well. But, that doesn’t stop these sites from publishing their negative speculation. I mean, the whole crux of these articles are about how they aren’t getting review samples so it can’t be that AMD is mad about critical reviews of unreleased products. Linus TechTips already confirmed they’re receiving a sample and have done plenty of critical reviews of AMD products.

        This is spinning. Whenever a “journalist” has to use words like “maybe” and “probably” it shows they don’t have the facts.

        “These responses look uncannily similar so maybe AMD doesn’t have the time or capability to provide more honest responses to its trusted press partners or representatives have been instructed to deliver a general response.”

        What evidence does the author have to conclude that AMD is being “less honest”? As a matter of fact, what evidence was ever provided that AMD cut review samples based on “a negative comment”?

        • Kayden

          The fact the author provided and the corroborated evidence from other tech sites should be all you need. You’re the one who pointed that other sites are showing up on google because of this, I thought you would have read more about it. Weird. Yes I’m being sarcastic because your asking me to do something else you’ve all ready done. I don’t understand that kind of circular train of thought, honestly I don’t.

          Also, I’ve heard about it this 2nd hand before the news broke here, hell I even scoffed at the idea! However, when you have more than one site who has no affiliation with one another crying foul, something must be a foot. A single murmuring I can ignore as someone being unhappy but this kind of out cry because sites are losing samples due to past negative press, is appalling!

          I have heard of much worse going on from vendors as well, but because I can’t say I talked to the person directly, I wont discuss it. This site is providing a first hand account with information that is similar or is exactly the same on other sites, without them saying so and so site said this. This helps corroborate this sites claims but I can only speculate that you are not paying attention to that.

          One last thing, can you go prove this conversation and all of the others didn’t happen? If you’re willing to be so cynical of the authors credibility with no proof to back up, at best, your skepticism or, at worst, your cynicism. Than go to ign and enjoy the koolaide and brownies.

          • James Gore

            “The fact the author provided and the corroborated evidence from other tech sites should be all you need.”

            That’s not evidence of anything other than a corroboration. Anecdotes are only evidence of anecdotes. But, whenever someone says that hearsay “should be all you need”, you’re probably not dealing with someone whose exercising the best critical thinking.

            “You’re the one who pointed that other sites are showing up on google”.

            Only two, actually. I did not say “other sites”.

            “Weird. Yes I’m being sarcastic because your asking me to do something else you’ve all ready done.”

            Actually, the burden of proof is on them. Evidence of KitGuru saying they aren’t getting a sample due to negative comments is only proof of KitGuru saying they aren’t getting a sample due to negative comments. Circular logic indeed but not on my part.

            “Also, I’ve heard about it this 2nd hand before the news broke here, hell I even scoffed at the idea! However, when you have more than one site who has no affiliation with one another crying foul, something must be a foot”

            Where’s the evidence that they have no affiliation? Also, People suddenly giving a shit about Kitguru because of a click baity article could very well encourage some pilers-on.Of course, I have no evidence of that , but neither do you. Your speculation is no better than mine, no matter how much worse your logic is.

            “I have heard of much worse going on from vendors as well, but because I can’t say I talked to the person directly, I wont discuss it.” Yes, you shouldn’t.

            “This site is providing a first hand account with information that is similar or is exactly the same on other sites, without them saying so and so site said this.” But you’re going to anyway. lol

            What’s your evidence that this site is “providing a first hand account”? Because they say so?

            “One last thing, can you go prove this conversation and all of the others didn’t happen?” no, and neither can you. Nor can you prove it actually did.

            ” If you’re willing to be so cynical of the authors credibility with no proof to back up, at best, your skepticism or, at worst, your cynicism. Than go to ign and enjoy the koolaide and brownies.”

            And, of course, my skepticism is bad but your adhoms are a OK.

            You seem to have quite an emotional investment here. Yet you’re saying I’m a koolaid drinker.

            But here I am again, asking for evidence and empty handed. You can’t prove it because they’ve yet to prove it. Yet you choose to believe it for no better reason I can think of but simply because you want to.

          • Kayden

            Umm. Okay than. There will never be enough evidence for you to accept these events. No matter the source or material presented. I can only suspect as to your motives as to why that is but I do know that if you think you know better, than run your own tech review site.

            What I do know at this point is that you’ve clearly denied what others have presented to you and that is pretty stupid. No one can fix stupid and I’m going to quit trying. BTW denial is a river in Africa and Africa is a continent. I’m sure you’ll find something wrong with those facts as well.

          • James Gore

            “Umm. Okay than. There will never be enough evidence for you to accept these events.”

            Once again ,you broken record, you nor the author have provided ZERO evidence of anything. Are you too goddamn stupid to understand how an author simply writing a thing is not evidence?

            Go on an repeat the same shit over and over. In the end, you still have zero proof of anything other than you are an arrogant prick.

          • Danny King

            AMD are refusing samples to biased sites Nvidia and Intel have both done this but because AMD does it all hell breaks loose anyway the sites complaining aren’t very good sites like this 1 come on look how terrible it’s built

          • Kayden

            I hate any bias tbh. I quit reading Hardocp because they will change the graphic settings and wont provide a true apple to apple comparison with video cards. I also dislike it when any company refuses sample because the site wasn’t favorable to them in the past, so long as the review was unbiased and showed the actual performance of the product. The problem I’m having with AMD and this situation is that they’ve claimed other competitors are sabotaging the performance of their hardware without any real evidence to show that as being factual and now they’re strong arming sites to not provide negative reviews or they’ll lose samples. This makes me worry that AMD hardware is inferior to its competitors or barely on par with them. I wish to make an informed purchase but if sites only get something cause they’ve been favorable to a company and it’s products even when they aren’t, how can I do that? We need sites like this to speak out against this practice and with AMD launching something as important as a new products line, it is even more crucial the readers know about these tactics. I’m on the side of the consumer and I wish we knew more about these kind of issues.

          • Trenter

            Nvidia have done this to several review sites in the past. Also, kitguru doesn’t deserve a sample and you would know that if you had been reading/watching their content about amd’s new products. They don’t even have samples yet they’re assuming they are going to draw 375 watts because of two 8 pin power connectors? These are the kinds of barbs kitguru have been slinging in the past couple weeks.

          • Kayden

            I haven’t read those articles here but it isn’t hard to wonder that the 250watts that is listed seems very suspect for the external power required. It’s all about card and what it needs to run, it’s specs are much higher. Than the previous series cards so it is understandable that it would consume more, much more, power. I can’t say they pointed at it and said it was fact but it is hard not to speculate.

            Also, I know Nvidia has done it. Asus has done it. MSI, Gigabyte and etc have done it. However, when it happens about a product I want to know. I want to know it will under perform and the company is trying control the talking points. That is underhanded and unethical, no matter who does it.

      • James Gore

        So when an investigation of some type is being done and you have two separate parties involved telling different stories the investigator always says something to the effect of “their stories don’t add up”

        But, when the two parties in this case tell you generally the same thing it’s “these responses look uncannily similar” therefore they’re lying.

        Another possibility they haven’t thought of is that maybe, just maybe, they’re saying the similar things because it’s true. Why the automatic worst case assumption with no evidence?

        Kinda seems like a damned if they do/damned if they don’t situation. Likely the reason why eTenix aren’t getting a sample, aye?

        • Kayden

          Oh so it’s all a conspiracy against AMD?!? OMG!

          Yep, that is sarcasm, again. Here is some more.

          If you could pass over some of whatever your smoking, that would be greatttttt.

          Here isn’t any sarcasm.

          To refute something because it’s happened more than once to different sites, all because you don’t like the outcome. That is pretty close to the definition of crazy!

          I asked for facts to support your opinion, not conjecture to the author and other sites credibility. If you don’t have it, than you’re obviously spinning the narrative to fit your illusion.

          More sarcasm.

          Would you like a tin foil hat to go with your entrée?

          • James Gore

            “To refute something because it’s happened more than once to different sites, all because you don’t like the outcome. That is pretty close to the definition of crazy!”

            More adhom. To defend these sites because you want to confirm bias would also be just as crazy. How come it’s always the people with the worse exercise in logic that have to resort to insults in the presence of someone practicing true skepticism?

            “I asked for facts to support your opinion, not conjecture to the author and other sites credibility. If you don’t have it, than you’re obviously spinning the narrative to fit your illusion.”

            There is no burden of proof on me. Once again, Kitguru made the claim that they aren’t getting a review sample based on “negative comments”. They then need to prove that AMD directly said “we’re not giving you a sample because of negative comments”. They’ve yet to offer anything other than hearsay and this site is simply repeating what they said. I also asked questions that I already know you aren’t going to answer.

            I’ll be you wouldn’t be so “sarcastic” if you were within inches of kicking distance. Being that I haven’t insulted you yet, maybe you should show a little bit more respect instead of trying to play internet tough guy. Are you fucking 12?

          • Kayden

            And now were down to the name calling and accusatory comments. To answer your question, no I’m not. I’m much older. I just find it disgusting that people like you dare to judge others with no proof to back up their claims. What would be enough evidence for you? Screenshots of the person emails? So if it’s good for you, it isn’t for someone else. The argument you’re presenting is circular and for lack of a better term, crazy. You want one thing, you get it and then demand it from others? What? There is an old saying “you can’t argue with crazy” and you reached that point quicker than I’ve ever seen so bravo for that. Nothing will ever be enough for you so stop pretending something will ever be enough, your just wasting people(s) time.

          • James Gore

            You initiated the insults. “Would you like a tin foil hat to go with your entrée?”

            “I just find it disgusting that people like you dare to judge others with no proof to back up their claims.” Yet you judged me as a tin foil hat wearer because my standards for what is evidence is superior to yours?

            “What would be enough evidence for you? Screenshots of the person emails?” Screenshots of emails would be. Also, they wouldn’t be ‘personal emails’. These are corporate entities. Right now what do you really have evidence of? You have evidence of a website making a claim and another website repeating the claim. Neither have backed the claim. You should ask yourself why you’re so certain based on so little.

            “So if it’s good for you, it isn’t for someone else. The argument you’re presenting is circular and for lack of a better term, crazy.” The author is speculating on another authors yet to be verified hearsay. That’s simply not journalism. I’m tired of these so-called ‘news’ sites trying to pass of speculation as news. Also, sick of people like you with such low standards for what is evidence defending them. There is nothing circular about that. I don’t think you know what that even means.

            “You want one thing, you get it and then demand it from others?” Where did I get it? I have yet to receive anything but deflection, sarcasm, and insults from you.

            “There is an old saying “you can’t argue with crazy” and you reached that point quicker than I’ve ever seen so bravo for that. Nothing will ever be enough for you so stop pretending something will ever be enough, your just wasting people(s) time.” We’ve reached that point alright. I’m not wasting your time. What would you being doing otherwise? Am I interfering with your cancer research. lol I doubt your time is valuable.

            At the end of the day, what you are trying to pass off as evidence is nothing more than hearsay that you’ve lazily accepted as truth. And you tried nothing more than might is right and shaming tactics as a substitute for any evidence because you have none.

            Only your tactics aren’t working. At the end of the day you just come off as a hateful immature shill with terrible logic and weak critical thinking skills who’d rather bully than debate. You can’t shame me. You’d have to be someone I respect first before I could be shamed by you and if you’ve proven anything to me it’s that you’re beneath me.

            But go away thinking you’ve gotten the better in this. THAT would be crazy.

          • Kayden

            And yet I put that as sarcasm, as not to be taken seriously. Lighten up. As far as the rest, all I can say is that you will never be happy with what is there, you will demand more and more because you believe one thing and expect another to factual, when it isn’t. Have a nice day.

          • James Gore

            You’re so intellectually dishonest. You’re using that whole sarcasm thing as a way to retroactively backpedal now. I already told you my standards of evidence which are no different than the standards of any court of law. Meanwhile, you’ve demonstrated a willingness to execute the litigant if two witnesses can repeat the same unfounded claims. If you think people who judge others are disgusting and all that other moral posturing bullshit you tried to pull you obviously don’t hold yourself to the same standards. you’re a hypocrite. Stop projecting yourself onto others. You are the one who has developed a narrative to defend. That’s why you’re so defensive, duh.

            I’m not a fanboy of AMD as I sit here with my custom Intel/nVidia rig. I have no loyalty to these companies or any of these websites. Anyone who tries to make these corporate entities out to be morally above another is an idiot. They have products or services I might want and they want my money. End of transaction.

          • Betty Black

            You’re a FAG, AMD needs your money, problem solved, you just paid for AMD to fuck you in the ass

          • James Gore

            Are you retarded? That doesn’t even make sense. I currently have an Intel CPU. Learn how to read, fuckboy.

          • Betty Black

            Who mentioned CPU’s FUK BOI

            You dirty mongoloid cunt, kill yourself, so tuff behind a PC fgt
            Keyboard fgt warrior

          • James Gore

            Oh, so you’re just a troll. A weak boring uninteresting troll. A good troll doesn’t have to resort to spewing random nonsense.

            Or, maybe you’re mad that I made your boyfriend look like a retard. But he’s a big boy.

            Try harder. That is, after you’ve changed your tampon. You’re making it stink in here.

            You’re beneath me.

          • Betty Black

            ROTFLMFAO, your vaginal blood fart hit the floor and exploded with such fury (AMD) that made you salty and depleted of iron

            Have a Snickers fgt, you seem angry when you’re hungry/tired

          • James Gore

            That’s not even funny. It would be different if you were at least funny or creative. It makes no sense. Just nonsensical jibber jabber like a baby.

            You gotta be a failed troll, though. It’s not like you have the acumen to face me intellectually.

          • Betty Black

            You do realise James Gore is a troll and he thinks this forum is People’s court

          • Trenter

            What is it you think is happening? Fury x will perform very well, probably as well as titan x. You seriously think amd are denying cards to a couple websites to conceal poor performance? If that’s true then why send samples out at all, they could just do in house reviews and call it a day.

          • Kayden

            They did, and then pulled the images from its site when it couldn’t be independently verified and then AMD said they never existed. There is more to the story than what is here. AMD failed again and is spinning the narrative here. Why is that so hard to comprehend? Its damage control plain and simple. Like I said to the other guy, what other proof do you want and what will ever be enough for everyone? Honestly, if multiple sites can’t persuade you about a problem with AMD’s new cards, than nothing will.

    • Betty Black

      James Gore? more like James Bore!!!

  • James Rodger

    wannabe journalists complaining because they are not important enough to get a review sample .. boo hoo :'( this is a shoddy website that looks like it had all of 10 minutes put in to making it . i mean look at that rush job of a photo at the top … real professional guys stay classy

    • Kayden

      Yet this is happening to several sites who have been negative to AMD products in the past but smaller sites and youtubers are getting them? It isn’t a conspiracy if it’s really happening. Stop blaming the sites for informing potential customers that AMD might be misleading them if people don’t do what AMD wants.

      • James Rodger

        i think some YouTube reviewers and sites like tom hardware have a couple thousand more viewers or visitor than their’s PoS site

        • Kayden

          Other than saying you hate this site, which you have every right to do, you haven’t provided any information to contradict the events.

          You’re comparing a small tech review site to toms hardware for more viewers? That is like comparing a sedan to an RV on space and luxury.

          I would like to take you seriously but you’ve been so inflammatory and derogatory I just can’t do it anymore.

          • James Rodger

      • swing84

        Kayden … Quote, “this is happening to several sites”. I only know of two sites, and that is all the OP mentions, not several.

        • Kayden

          You’re right I was including others that I had heard it was happening to as well. Even though I am quite certain it is factual, I did not speak to them directly nor have they spoken out publicly. I should have said “this is happening to two independently owned and operated sites (and possibly others who don’t wish to comment publicly)”. I sit corrected.

  • Danny King

    That picture just makes me think Nvidia fan boy site

    • Kayden

      Pictures say a thousand words so I find it odd that it evokes a pro-NVIDIA sentiment when the article is all about AMD. Weird.

  • APC

    its biased AMD Reviewers like the Kit Guru guy in this Vid that cost these sites… the moral is be professional and unbiased and you will get a card to review.

    I challenge anyone to watch the vid and tell me this reviewer isnt biased

    https://youtu.be/QFWgc8qjQwk

    First he says, the R9 290 will rebadged to be the R9 380, when it was long clear that it will be 390 (video is from 12. june!).

    Also he is saying that AMD rebadging any graphic cards is “conning” (7:48 in the vid).

    Then he is asking: “Does Fiji compare to Gtx 980 or not?” (8:30). Which
    is ridiculous because even hawaii almost compares to 980.

    He is saying that Fiji can possibly match 980ti, but “I don’t believe
    for a moment that Fiji can take on the titan, not for one second i
    believe that.”

    Newsflash, 980ti is less than 5% slower than Titan X.

  • CERO

    Speaking of AMD doing bad things. I wonder if this guy will ever talk about this:

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/2887234/nvidia-hit-with-false-advertising-suit-over-gtx-970-performance.html

    http://www.vrworld.com/2015/01/30/nvidia-admits-error-specifications-gtx-970-will-help-refunds/

    Nvidia lied with the GTX 970 specifications and their performance is not up to par.

  • ddearborn

    Hmmm

    Open and obvious Pro NVidia/anti AMD bias is ready apparent on this and on a multitude of other websites. AMD is a business not a charity. The only thing outrageous going on with allocations is all the whining and sniffling going on by the have nots. Good grief a bunch of children. The amount of fraudulent propaganda being spewed out of the anti AMD websites is truly mind boggling. News flash people, there is no business ethics code that is being violated by being selective in handing out product. Every business, in every segment of the entire economy who hand out high end product do so with care and an eye on the bottom line. If in fact AMD did hand out free hardware to websites that are openly biased against and hostile toward amd, then I would have an issue with AMD.

    This kind of obvious bias is everywhere. In the end AMD will be swallowed up by the likes of Microsoft or Samsung and innovation and competition will simply vanish. And in a couple of years all those NVidia fanboys will be missing the good old days when AMD at least tried to keep NVidia honest. Instead we will have Intel and NVidia steady raising prices year after year with the same old crap. Actually Intel has been doing that for years, so no one will be surprised when NVidia which has already started doing this just gets worse and worse.

  • Josh Kinder

    “Topics: AMD, bad”

    It’s like you’re not even trying to sound unbiased. I think you owe everyone you click-baited into this ridiculous article an apology, as well as one to AMD.

  • lol. You guys didn’t even get the “you are biased” message another site got. It was simply a matter of not enough samples, and you still cried.